Sex Crimes and the Vatican

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Sex Crimes and the Vatican and the new pope. Pope Francis is the new pope in town. The newly elected Pope is the first Pope chosen outside of Europe, ever, the first Jesuit pope, and the first first pope to choose the name Francis. To celebrate, we are posting a documentary made by Colm O’Gordan about his experience being sexually abused by priests. What to expect from the new pope? At Documentarystorm, we view the coronation with little optimism.

We already have learned the following:

1) He is a humble man (but, not humble enough to refuse to be Pope!)

2) His ideologies are in line with his predecessors. Those looking for dramatic reform within the church are in for disappointment.  Pope Francis’ record is one of conservatism. He opposes homosexual relationships, contraception, women priests, etc.

3) He is not without controversy. The new Pope has suspected ties to the corrupt Argentina government and is suspected of aiding in the torture of his countrymen. His brother is also under investigation.

Here is a documentary titled: Sex Crimes and the Vatican.

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  • Bob

    Peace on earth will come the day all religion dies away. Fucking idiots.

    • Steven

      Soviet union were communist. Religion maintain peace in this chaotic world. The idea of no religion is just stupid. Sorry don’t take it personally.

      • Alex

        Well, allow me to take it personally:) You know shit about soviet union and it’s relations to religion. Did you know that in mid-ww2 Stalin significantly eased up on religion, but in return, “holymen” had to become NKVD informants. And with that they happily complied:) As long as they get to do their little business of scamming believers out of their money. In fact from that time to the very end of SU religion was not banned, it simply was unpopular.

        • me

          im on your side, alex- but you none of the problems regarding the russian clergy apply to the principle of religion as a flawed an outdated practice.

          and steven, you’re so very, very wrong

        • Archie Caldwell

          Well religion has its sales men. Missionaries go to Africa and try ane explain to the natives they’ve bin doing it all wrong. jeeesh.
          Look at th edamage the Caths n Prots did in the Canadian north.
          They have a lot to be accountable for.
          Shame on them.
          Come join my religion I bow to no one and drink every day.
          Just imagine how much money the Cath church has and gives not one dime to anyone or anything.

      • Allow me to say: What?!

        Of course it does. It has a lot to do with it along with oil, power and control. All the crusades, the holy wars….you name it.

        • Calling people ignorant out of the blue doesn’t make you look smarter or wiser.

          Your reply to me is about what i said, from a different angle. If there was no religion, there would be peace, therefore religion has a lot to do with having peace or not having it.

          • Misery

            Lets separate religion from the facts which is all religion does any way.
            The world was created by a big bang. U wanna change that then prove it.
            Christianity is the youngest religion in the world. Just some more snake oil

            • Archie Caldwell

              They wonder why Chritians get beheaded when they invade Muslim terrortory.

            • From the Abrahamic religions, it is Islam that is the youngest. Came 7 centuries later after Christianity.

          • Julie

            Do you both realise that neither of you can blame the religions, or the natural resources?
            Ofcourse not, you both are ignorant to the real truth. Its the negative feelings of humans, the greed, jealousy and all in all its just humans that are wrong. No religion(in my knowledge so far,or in my religion) permits war,murder,theft, and all the crimes. But its we humans who do that. People are in lust for money, fame and power.

            • Yes, you hold the truth and we are the ignorant ones.
              Congratulations on the simplification of such an issue.

            • Archie Caldwell

              Of course wot else. Money is wot makes the world go around. U can’t do anything with out it.

          • Archie Caldwell

            U have a point. But we will never no what the world wud be like without religion.
            I wonder why Muslims wear baggy pants all the time.

        • Jaime Navarro

          Yet ignorant religion haters like you seem to ignore that non religious causes have sparked more killing and suffering than any so called religious war. Where is the religious aspect to the word wars? To the Rwandan genocide, the Cambodian Genocide the 100’s of millions of deaths caused by Atheistic ad completely secular governments of the USSR and of China? Even so called “religious wars” have secular components. the 30 years war was as much about secular power as it was about Protestantism vs Catholicism. As Dostoevsky said “If God does not exist, everything is permitted.” Without God this world would be much worse.

          • Bumb Friendsaboveall Seaholm

            Well i’d like to start of with the sentence about “non religious causes have sparked more killing and suffering than any so called religious war”, i really hope you know that’s not a true fact or even remotely close to the truth, the fact is religion is the founder of all wars, whether you think so or not.
            All wars are fought with religion or “god” it has always been like that and it’s a fact, we use to pray to the gods of war/love/wind/sun you name it and we’ve prayed to it. Are you really using the world wars for an example… you know that Hitler distinctly wen’t after Jewish people right ? and being Jewish or Hebrew is actually a religion… WOW big surprise right, real eye-opener… Religion can be used for good, but unfortunately it isn’t used for good, it’s used for manipulating people and abuse of power, which we have seen time and time again throughout history. And while we are doing quotes Roman Stoic said “Religion is regarded by
            the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as
            useful” now think about that.

            • Jaime Navarro

              I hate to be insulting but your ignorance is, well, staggering. I’ll et you defend your statement that ” the fact is religion is the founder of all wars, whether you think so or not.All wars are fought with religion or ‘god’. ” Lets stick to recent history the 20th century. Give me the Religious cause of the following 3 destructive wars. I’m not even counting the world wars.
              1 The Korea War
              2 The Vietnam Conflicts (French and American)
              3. the Chaco War (Paraguay)
              Lest look at WWII the Nazis, your saying that Hitler went after a religion? Ok lets grant that (Although your also wrong on this) So what does that prove? The Jews were the victims not the aggressors. If your claim is true it shows the ill-tolerance of the nonreligious was the cause of WWII. Although the Nazis real goal was territorial expansion. Same as the Japanese. These are secular goals not religious. Your citing the NAZI’s goal of elimination of the Jews as a “religious cause” is just spinning the facts to support your view.
              Besides your view in this is also wrong. The Nazis weren’t trying to eliminate Judaism. If that were the case a Jew could simply convert and would be spared. But that wasn’t the case. The Nazis viewed Jews as a race, and you cant change your race; the death camps were meant to eliminate a race not a religion. Hence another secular cause for WWII.
              How can u say religion isnt used for good? How may religious charities are there? Easily many more than non-religious charities. There wouldnt even be charities if not for religion, especially Christianity. Sharing resources goes against natural instinct. Do you see animals sharing with animals that they are not directly related to?
              Oh and btw that quote from your “Roman Stoic” is attributed to Seneca (and thats debatable) While it has elements of truth. I would argue that the opposite is also true. Many “common people” (like you) see religion as false, many “wise” people (like scientists, and scholars) dont see religion as false, and many, really most, “rulers” use secular means to rule, be it terror, and direct repression like communist dictators, or elections in democracies. Being a ruler does not solely depend on using religion. So your quote proves nothing.

              • Bumb Friendsaboveall Seaholm

                I am truly sorry if I insulted you, it really wasn’t my intent and i must say im impressed by you knowledge, but the point i’m trying to prove here is that no war we’ve ever fought has been without “god” and that makes me question everything about religion and god.
                NO NO AND NO NO NO NO NO, there are alot of religious charities but the once spending most money on people in need, are the countries with the highest per capita atheism in the world one great example is all the Scandinavian countries, Bill Gates(richest man in the world) an none believer is going to give away 90% of his wealth when he dies, that is approximately 50 billion dollars, so hmm a none religious person can actually go against his “instincts”, and saying that animals don’t help each other out is really just stupid, just stupid, have you ever been to the woods or in the jungle ? animals rely on each other to survive, whether it’s being a lookout or dividing food between the different races of animals, and sharing has nothing to do with religion, sharing is about carrying for your fellow man, it has didly squat to do with religion, you actually made me a bit mad by that sentence, because that my good sir is ignorance.
                I’m not going to get into detail about the wars you typed in your previous comment but i’ll do a quick recap of The korean war and why religion is a problem when it comes to war, when the USSR occupied korea in 1946 300,000 Christians(also Buddhists,Confucianists and Shamanism) had to flee their homes due to brutal oppression, even if it’s secular it doesn’t matter….. how many times have you’ve seen Obama, Bush jr/sr ,Hitler, Stalin and so forth us the sentence “God be with us”, right there is a religious intent, these words are used to create war and death, this is not something they say in case they are running low on milk, that’s war propaganda they are basically saying if you go out and kill some people god will be with you and help you along in your killing, hes not going to let you die but people who don’t think as you will die because you have the right imaginary friend is just preposterous.
                You said yourself that the Nazi’s went after the Jewish people because of their race…. well there is some truth to what you are saying, it still doesn’t change the fact the being a Hebrew is regarded as a religion not a race, and the Hitler didn’t just kill people because of their race he also killed people because of their believes, and once again religion is used as a weapon, im not saying there can’t come any good from religion, i just don’t see and imaginary friend in the clouds, i choose to believe in my fellow man/woman or child, i can see them, i know they are there and if i REALLY wanted to believe in something i would like to believe in the good of man, that we are capable of acts of such kindness and love towards one another that we don’t need our imaginary friends, i choose to believe in people in facts and in love.
                And the comment about me belonging to the common people,my first thought was “sure I’ll bite”, and you using scientists and scholars as examples of wise people is sadly mistaken just because you are “smart” doesn’t make you wise, you can study a subject and know it by hand, it doesn’t really make you wise, being wise is having an understanding of people, things, events and situations, and the
                willingness and the ability to apply perceptions, judgments and actions
                in keeping with an understanding of what is the right course of action is, this it not something that’s specific to kind of work, this is something you yourself learn and adapt, i would consider “rain man” as smart, but not especially wise.
                And religion is used as a driving force to war and if you can’t see that you sir a truly blind.

                • Jaime Navarro

                  I’m sorry was that a real response or are you joking?

                • Jaime Navarro

                  You completely avoided answering my challenge about the wars I listed, (and there are plenty of other examples); and all you did was some spin doctoring. I mean it was even very good spin. By your logic clothes started wars since every war ever fought included the use of clothes! Even the so called “religious” wars have secular components. The 30 years was religious but it also had a secular angle the France–Habsburg rivalry. The crusades were about stopping the spread of an Islamic empire at the expense of the Byzantines. The religious component was that it was a pilgrimage (but you had to fight to get there; and of course reclaiming the Holy land. The idea of launching the crusades with the aim of forcing Muslims to convert is unfounded. In fact the opposite is true. It was the Muslims that conquered that land to begin with hundreds of years before the 1st Crusade. The Crusades were just an over due response to Muslim aggression.

                  Which brings me to a point. When people like you attack “religion” it seems you actually meant Christianity. Maybe not you specifically but thats my observation.

                  I can tell your a religious biggot based on what you said about being wise. In your view even an intelligent person who has faith isnt wise? Thats just stupid Im sorry to be so blunt but wow! Your calling great thinkers like Thomas Aquinas, Nicolaus Copernicus, Francis Bacon, and Galileo. Fools? All these men were dedicated to both science and religion.

            • Archie Caldwell

              Some examples. The war of the Roses. The 100 year war etc.

          • Misery

            U make a futile point. I am not relgious and never had a boy.

            • Jaime Navarro

              That’s my point your non-religious and yet make unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations against religion? What gives you that qualification?

              • Archie Caldwell

                His athieism.

                • Jaime Navarro

                  So his biased, an one sided view makes him objective? Yeah that makes sense (Sarcasm)

            • Archie Caldwell

              a girl?

            • Archie Caldwell

              u mean ur a virgin? At the same time u only like boys?

          • You really think that this world would have been worse without Gods, Jaime?
            People without gods are more accepting and tolerant.

            • Jaime Navarro

              Really? Have you read the comments made on this and similar postings against religious people? Do you really think the Kmehr Rouge was tolerent? What about the religious people persecuted during the great terror after the french revolution? Was Robespierre tolerant? So yes I do think we would be worse of with God (not gods) in this world. It was the christian belief in God that gave us hospitals, and the university, and the sense of the importance of the individual. Every sense of fairness and justice you feel has Judeo-Christain roots.

            • Archie Caldwell

              So true. The most hypocritacl people I no are religious.

          • Archie Caldwell

            I have no god n am doing ok.

            • Jaime Navarro

              I never claimed that you would not be doing badly without God. After all many Atheists do well. Look at Stalin, and Mao. God gives you certain gifts, (intelligence, charisma, birth into privilege) its up to you how you use them. I have God and I’m also doing “OK” as you just like you claim. So what does you claim prove? Nothing its a non-sequitur.

        • Misery

          Well said religious wars are all over the world. Dam snake oil.

        • Archie Caldwell

          U speak the truth.

      • Misery

        U r the stupid one. Religion is the scourge of the world. Let me see u want me to belive in somone that only exists in the either and then that he sent some guy with a beard down to show u he had a son. jeez it gets worse. There was no women in his creations Imagine that. Now if u belive that popplyh hock I got some swamp to sell u.

      • Archie Caldwell

        That is not the godly way so im told. Already u r running down the communits n wont allow them their relgion.Does that make sense?

    • Archie Caldwell

      well said

    • Misery

      That I will subscribe to. There was a storyh once about a priest who drowned at sea. They found him stuck to the bottom of a bouy

      • Archie Caldwell

        wow. I heard that first 60 + years ago.
        it was about a scoutmaster tho.

    • Archie Caldwell

      Just imagine the millions that belive n have been mislead.
      I debate the Jeho Witness when the come around.

  • Zen

    Find me a perfect man and I will see god.

    • Misery

      Le me no wot he looks like?

  • After watching the first 15 minutes, it made me so sick that i couldn’t stand it.

    Religion has caused much trouble in the world. Child abuse within the church leads back to year 900, so the priests are quite the veterans at abusing children.
    Religion or faith itself should not depend on the church, but rather on your own conscience because anyone, any decent human being can be a good Samaritan without begging for a pat on the shoulder from the church.

    The churches are one of the most corrupted institutions in the world, since the beginning of time and some of the nastiest people who ever got to rule the world were some of the Popes in the past times.
    They are greedy and nasty and the true holy men are far away from them.
    They have been gone unpunished for centuries and the only thing they did to repent their horrible, detestable crimes were a few wipes on their back.
    Spare me some f****g threads because if that’s a good enough punishment, then i am going to go bad and give myself some wipes….and see if i can get away with it.

    A religion, en entity, a pope can only be as big as you make them. They can only be as holy as you want them to be, but considering the immense circle of pedophiles inside the church i say: Dissolve the church and let’s evolve.

    Oh, and one last thing to the defenders of the priests…they have been sexually abusing your children while asking for donations for their church and then they abused your children again. Sleep on that!

    • Jaime Navarro

      While I share your disgust at the actions of the abusive Catholic clergy. I wonder why you and so many focus your ire only in the Catholic Church? The fact of the matter is that priests are no more liable to abuse children than other clergy. In fact a The Associated Press reported in 2007 that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy. This report of abuse in Protestant Churches in no way clears guilty members of the Catholic Church. But the report does give a better perspective. The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries.
      Attacks on the Catholic Church ignores the fact that sexual predators are also in our schools, hospitals, foster families, and regular families. By all means punish the guilty priests but dont turn this into a witch hunt.
      Most abuse cases by priest are similar to what happens in schools. An older person has an inappropriate but consensual relation that is forbidden. This is vile and disgusting!! But most abuse cases are not rape, as the media would have you believe. But of course its still abuse and shpuld be punished.

      • Misery

        The guy drowned and they found him stuck to the bottom of a buoy.

      • Jaime, i didn’t refer to Catholics.
        I referred to churches and religion. Every single denomination is guilty as fuck of something horrible while parading around pretending to be holier than a fuck.

        I have nothing against the faith one holds (at home, within his own walls) but i grew to despise this institution called church.

        • Jaime Navarro

          I didn’t say u were referring to individual Catholics. True every denomination has some horrors in its history. What makes it different from ANY institutions? No institutions in human history is perfect. Including religious ones. So why single out the Catholic Church, and not the Boy Scouts?

          • Maybe because their pedo ring is bigger and because they protect each other…
            Maybe because they all conspire with silence and by looking away when innocent kids are destroyed for life…and maybe because the Catholic church has been doing that world wide for far too long.

            I am sorry, Jaime. I am very much exhausted by this, the so called church supposed be taking care of the poor and needy…as opposed to banging kids and collecting money.

            • Jaime Navarro

              Maybe you should check your prejiduce and do some objective research. The Web site for the advocacy group, Survivors of Educator Sexual Abuse and Misconduct Emerge (SESAME) claims, “The best estimate is that 15 percent of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.” Thats much worse that priestly abuse. The looking away and reshuffling of abusers is also seen on public schools. So I ask you again if the same problem exists in families and public schools as well as other faith groups, why so much focus on the Catholic Church? I’ll tell you why, lawsuits and lawers. Not to mention the Catholic church actually keeps records of these crimes (becuse the Church fully cooperates with police) where as otheres do not so prosecution is easier. You claim the Catholic Church takes in so much money? Then why is the Church broke? It puts out as much as ittakes in, why else does the vatican run museum tours? You think they can sell off the “tresures” they possess? Not likely since they belong to Italy as much as to the Vatican. Go look up the worlds biggest charity, your going to find its the Catholic Church. Your just midlessly parroting the same tired tripe that fundementalist made up about the Catholic Church. Am I claime its perfect? Hell no its not, but name me any institution that is? All you prove is the Catholic Church is no different than other people and institutions.

              • Uh, defending the church much?
                ” why so much focus on the Catholic Church” – Why not?
                Since they seem to plead immunity and avoid being judged by the same set of rules and laws as all the others, that gives me even more reason to focus on them.

                I am asking you back this: Why NOT focus on them?

                Also..
                “Not to mention the Catholic church actually keeps records of these crimes (becuse the Church fully cooperates with police) where as otheres do not. So prosecution of a preist is easier.” – Where are those records and where can i read them?
                Do you have a source of your claim?

                “You claim the Catholic Church takes in so much money? Then why is the Church broke?” – The Catholic church is not broke.

                “Your just midlessly parroting the same tired tripe that fundementalist made up about the Catholic Church. ” – And you are just parroting without looking at facts.

                “All you prove is the Catholic Church is no different than other people and institutions.” – Huh?

          • Archie Caldwell

            As a boy many years ago. I no of no impropriety from the cubs the scouts etc.
            I was at a boarding school and rapes were rampant amongst the boys.
            The big boys wud rape the younger boys.

            • Jaime Navarro

              Just because you didn’t experience any “impropriety from the cubs the scouts etc” doesn’t mean its not there. Just do a news search on the web and you can find that for yourself. The abuse problem is just as bad in the Scouts, as it is in schools, as it is in families, as it is in other religions, as it is in the Catholic Church.

              So if your familiar with boarding school rapes, why do you not attack them? Obviously there’s as much of a problem with molestation there as is claimed for the Catholic Church. Probably worse than you know, since I wonder how much goes unreported.

    • Misery

      The catholic church only takes it never gives money to a cause. They say pray and the Lord will provide. Well that is just so much BS.

  • Deemah

    Religion and piety within plebeian communities around the world are not the issue. There are people who can live in peace with others from different religions in the same country and function just fine. Look at India, it is possible. The issue is the people in charge of political agendas, money and power it’s a big chess game. Then when groups of regular folk form a revolution and rebel they are looked at as “terrorist” when in fact they just want their country to help them instead of pocketing the money and resources to their disposal.

    • Misery

      Ah ..I love India. They took their country back from the British. Ghandi said don’t partition the country and no one listened. Sad .
      One thing about a big country like India u don’t see the US invading it.

      • Buggery

        The only time the US will invade India is if they run out of diarrhea in America.

  • Deemah

    This secrecy about child sex abuse is sick, they may not be punished now or later on in this life…but someday….it will be brought about

    • Misery

      When I was growing up I was in the cubs then the scouts I never saw any abuse. When did all that start to happen?

  • Deemah

    Gross 7 years? that is it for sodomizing over 100 children fucking SICK

  • Buggery

    Why is child abuse endemic to the Catholic church and not other religions? Maybe let Catholic priests bust their nuts with a women instead of the rule of celibacy and you might start to make headway on this terrible issue.

    • Misery

      Yes Celabacy is not normal but an out let for homos.

    • Jaime Navarro

      Teachers, Scout Masters and other married people get to “bust nuts”, but yet they still violate children. The idea that celibacy is the cause of the priestly abuses is ridiculous. The Web site of the advocacy group Survivors of Educator Sexual Abuse and Misconduct Emerge (SESAME) claims, “The best estimate is that 15 percent of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.” Thats much worse that priestly abuse. Why don’t we fix the biggest problem first?

      The same sort of thing happens in other denominations that do allow clergy to marry. So why the focus on priestly celibacy? Some of the worst cases of persistent serial abuse by clergy have involved Baptist or Pentecostal ministers, rather than Catholic priests. Every denomination and faith tradition has had its trail of disasters: in addition to Catholics, this nightmare has affected Protestants, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Buddhists, even Hare Krishna devotees. A study of seventy-five priests and ministers convicted of criminal sex abuse between 1985 and 2002 found that thirty-eight were Catholic priests, while most of the rest were from Protestant denominations.

    • Jaime Navarro

      Its not do some research and you will find Catholic clergy are no more liable to abuse children than other Christian denominations, or religions. In fact the biggest abusers of children are they’re own family, followed by teachers.

  • Lloyd Albers

    The status of country must be taken away from the Vatican, then these creeps can stand trial wherever they are and for whatever they have done. The Pope says he is the Vicar of Christ, can you show me in history where Jesus acted like this, no you can’t. Bob is right, because of the force the Vatican applies on the people, all religions are false. The only person I can trust is Jesus Christ, thats a following not a religion. The Vatican is responsible for more crimes than just pedophile priests.

  • Archie Caldwell

    I was made to go to church as a child. My knees always hurt. Thats how I fell out of religion. Now Im an Atist.
    No more lies n nsake oil for me
    What fool will worship something/someone he hasnt seen.
    In real life we call that scamming.
    I think Mass should be said by a vetriloquiest.

    Those priests always has some kid under their frock.

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